Comments on: For the Love of Glee http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Week 13 Discussion: Teen TV « Television & American Culture http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3959 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:19:49 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3959 […] For the Love of Glee […]

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By: Mary Beltrán http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3531 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:38:04 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3531 Thanks, Erin and Annie, for that link! What awesome, purely happy inspiration to see a massive group of people tap into and perform this music together. It reminds me of the pleasures of joining in, singing, dancing, smiling…

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By: Sharon Ross http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3526 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:01 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3526 Nice observation per the applicabilty to being adapted in other countries! I am certain a huge aspect of this show’s success is American Idol and perhaps even its waning–Glee as a replacement?), which of course has been adapted world-wide after is start in Britain. And certainly part of the appeal is a mesh with the depressed economic circumstances of many viewers right now, looking for some joyful watching and a sense that one can climb their way to success…

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By: Christine Becker http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3501 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:13:34 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3501 You’re right that Glee isn’t trying to be The Wire, but it is clear that the writers are trying to deconstruct stereotypes (or they think they’re trying), so I’d say that’s why it draws more attention for this. I don’t have any hope that Gossip Girl will complicate its racial and class representations. I do hope that Glee can, especially since the showrunner has claimed that it’s something he’s setting out to do. So it bugs me when the show doesn’t deliver on that and leans back on the same old tropes, like featuring the white kids at the expense of everyone else. It makes me question either their sincerity or their ability to deliver.

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By: Mary Beltran http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3480 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:39:40 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3480 You’re all raising interesting points; thanks for the lively discussion which has me looking forward to the Kool-Aid of next Tuesday night… To jump in on the topic of genre, I’ve been thinking about how the series has a legacy not only in the teen film/show and the musical, but also in the military platoon drama and its later incarnations, in which the narrative is necessarily about a group of people overcoming differences and their own character flaws in order to fight a battle/learn to play baseball/put on a show. As part of the platoon, some characters are sacrificed, which fits what we see here, too. What’s especially interesting to me is how the musical numbers can both rupture and reinforce our notions of “whose story this is” at varying moments. Aside from learning that dolphins are just gay sharks, that is.

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By: Erika Johnson-Lewis http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3450 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:51:00 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3450 Sure, Glee is meant to be a fun, light comedy that wears its self-conscious *wink wink* media savvy postmodernism on its sleeve. It also tryies to retain a kind of sweet emotional quality, that butts up against its more over the top ironic pomo positioning. It’s not quite camp, or maybe not quite conscious enough about how it misses the boat on issues like the prevalence of harpy shrew women and the sidelining of Mercedes, Kurt, Tina, etc even as it adopts an ironic stance like making jokes about “Asian” and “Other Asian.” More Heathers, less Clueless.

Annie’s point below about the utopian function of the musicals is spot on, and I guess the numbers have been less able to do much smoothing over for me.

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By: Kit Hughes http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3446 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:28:38 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3446 Annie, I think you’ve hit it on the head. If I remember correctly, musical moments not only appeal, they ‘smooth over’ rough spots (in the narrative, for instance). With this structure (and a narrative that is widely considered to be flawed), it’s no wonder that the show elicits such ambivalent feelings. I routinely find myself in the “sure I hate the show’s politics, but oh do I love choreography” camp.

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By: Annie Petersen http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3443 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:41:27 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3443 I think there’s an inclination to try and think of Glee as a teen show….and forget its genre (in the selfsame breath that we laud the resurgence of the musical). Put differently, we forget that part of the way that the musical functions, as highlighted long ago by Richard Dyer, is by creating unnatural and unearned moments of utopian perfection through song — and that those moments of utopian bliss are crucial to its appeal.

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By: Derek Kompare http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3442 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:33:17 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3442 Reading the replies it seems that Glee is a show we find ourselves loving more than liking. The former suggests a kind of unconditional, warts-and-all embrace, while the latter would suggest something we admire more from a distance. More to the point, maybe it’s “mad love”: we love it despite trying to convince ourselves not to!

This love complicates our perceptions of its problems. Many of us (me, for example) are willing to forgive to an extent, while others (e.g., a friend who confesses to being a Glee anti-fan) aren’t willing to forgive any more. The show carries a very particular burden in crossing over issues of culture and prejudice within musical comedy, and I think many of us ask too much from it in that regard. It seems odd to me that there seems to be more complaining about how Glee deals with race and class when series like Gossip Girl get let off the hook even though they exist in this fantastical New York of only cool rich white kids.

Yes, I hate the fact that Kevin McHale is actually fully abled. Yes, I hate how Kurt and Mercedes are generally only rendered in primary colors. I hate how all the romantic relationships have thus far been juggled (and how all the women are coming off badly in them, across the board).

But then I remember that Glee isn’t The Wire, nor is it trying to be, and that what it does offer (excess, theatricality, wit, style, and sheer exuberance) is a reward in itself. No TV series is a complete meal; I’ll gladly take Glee as a weekly Michael’s Frozen Custard Turtle Sundae.

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By: Erin Copple Smith http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/15/for-the-love-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-3440 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:09:10 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3146#comment-3440 Ah yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly, Annie! In fact, the Glee flash mob video you posted on Facebook (this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5PyIVVKoWU ) precisely demonstrates the gleefulness the series inspires in others…and in me, when I see stuff like this. LOVE.

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