Comments on: Glee Club: “The Power of Madonna” http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Kelly Kessler http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3918 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:54:53 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3918 Just a brief note:
A) I’ve seen the Madonna pics of Ross and they are TOTALLY worth it.

B) I don’t know so much about teens, but my undergrads were over the moon about the Madonna episode. I have never, however, really heard them say anything about plot. They seem, instead, caught up in the spectacle (as many of the folks here are).

On a related note, in response to my SCMS piece on musical tropes in non-musical narrative television an individual (whose name I can’t recall) suggested that these moments (along with musical numbers in Scrubs, How I Met Your Mother, etc.) speak to teens as the YouTube generation. Those moments are so pluck-out-able that viewers are encouraged to find pleasure in the repetition of those isolated moments. (Hulu seems to encourage this response with their at-times pre-posting of musical numbers as decontextualized videos.)

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By: Sharon Ross http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3917 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:44:25 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3917 So loving catching up on all this chit chat! I’ll leave the plot proper alone as I think others have noted the flwas in the ep with regards to motivation and depth of story being overwhelmed by the music…

Except to note that this is, (ironically? cause I don’t think Murphy designed it this way), precisely what the appeal of Madonna was in the 1980s. Her songs, at the time, invoked a sense of female empowerment for certainly this 80s teen girl (I have the pictures of me dressed like her to prove it), and I still will break out in song and dance when I hear the oldies and remember “fondly” a time when all I could manage in terms of a feminist mindset was letting Madonna music speak to a burgeoning sexuality and vague pissiness about gender issues that I couldn’t quite out my finger on. (I’d love to hear from any gay 80s men what their memories are of Madge and how this episode did or did not tap into them.)

If we think of Glee as speaking to teens, then the shallowness of the episode, the missed opportunities for character development, the randomness of the songs–well, that’s just spot on, right? How many of us can think back to music from a period in our teen years and simply feel the emotive pull of the lyrics and melody–and not much else? What I’m curious about is how it played with today’s teens, who live in a very different gendered/sexually oriented world…did they read this as trite or retro or cool or what?

I’m also adding as a side note: what does it mean that I stayed home tonight from going to see Kick Ass because the idea of female empowerment meaning a 12 year old girl saying the c-word (not a prude, but not sure what’s appropriate language on the boards!) and beating the crap out of people just disturbed me too much.

So, if we’re now in a “Kick Ass” world of female empowerment for pre-teens, where does that leave the moms/aunts of those pre-teens who “just want to have fun…like a virgin?” (tee hee–couldn’t resist!)

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By: Lindsay H. Garrison http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3890 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:29:05 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3890 I totally agree with you on Like a Virgin and Open Your Heart, Kelly. Also – thanks for bringing up Kurt’s performance as a cheerio! I went back and watched it after reading your comment (b/c to be honest, I had kind of forgotten about that scene), and you’re right; he does seem so much more self-assured and asserts more physical space in his movements. I really enjoyed it. I, too, will be interested to see where his involvement with the cheerios goes and if he and Mercedes both find the lead roles and performances they are looking for.

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By: Kelly Kessler http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3888 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:17:57 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3888 I actually want to give the series props for the handling of this theme week. As someone who is totally disillusioned and exasperated by the jukebox musical, I thought the Glee folks actually handled what was essentially a jukebox musical episode better than say Mamma Mia!, Good Vibrations, or All Shook Up. Each of those musicals greatly suffered from what you all are describing. They shoehorn musical numbers into some lame plot that has been formed around them. “Like a Virgin” was a fabulous use of the theme to fully engage with both character and narrative development. “Open Your Heart” was swell. Aside from moving the narrative along with such numbers, I thought that the majority of the numbers did a fine job of at least projecting character movement (if not actual plot movement). Okay, given, Vogue was just eye candy and they could have totally used Jane Lynch better there, but…

On a completely unrelated note, I found Kurt’s performance at the basketball game particularly intriguing. His physical performance of Kurt-ness seemed totally different than it ever had to that point. He seemed to move with an overt sexuality and sense of self-assurance that I’d never seen before. It was almost as it was another person. Looking forward to see if that continues if his character finds the kind of performance outlet he seeks.

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By: Kelly Kessler http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3886 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:09:27 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3886 Just wanted to chime in to, well, agree re: Brittany and Santana. When I try to step back from my gut reactions to these characters (with whom we are supposed to be continuously irritated), I have to reconsider that reaction. Do we think of them as being positioned as slutty because they are framed as teen girls who are fully engaged in their own sexualities (whether through their forwardness with Finn, sexting with Puck, or what seems to have been implied earlier in the season the possible sexual relationship they have with each other)? In the case of Santana and Finn, that was unquestionably about power rather than sex. She was basically following directions (as she tends to do). Does her awareness of and engagement with her own sexuality make her slutty?

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By: Derek Kompare http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3872 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:54:24 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3872 I asked my wife, “is this a thing now, stilts?” and I guess it must be. Even if not, it was still spectacular!

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By: Hannah Hamad http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3838 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:32:24 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3838 Lindsay, this is fascinating. I have not seen this episode yet but my interest has been piqued to the nth degree by reading your great piece, and thanks for the heads up on what appears to be yet another intriguing example of contemporary media culture’s propensity to code femininities by colour. I can’t wait to see this…

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By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3808 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:11:26 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3808 so, yes, to summarize, for re-appropriation and transformation of Vogue: Luminosity 10, Glee 0 😉

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By: Kristina Busse http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3807 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:07:08 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3807 Jonathan, you may have seen my twitters on it, but I was really frustrated with the non-ironic repetition of what had always been problematic modes of appropriation to begin with.

“Vogue” came under a lot of criticism when Madonna first appropriated black and latino gay subculture, and erasing/replicating that complex history of appropriation with a feel-good simplistic feminism doesn’t help much. Throughout, I felt reminded of David Kociemba’s brilliant IMR piece on Glee and disability, “Proud Mary”: Glee’s Very Special Sham Disability Pride Anthem. The attempt to address an issue and yet failing even as the problem is acknowledged and then having it be done with is happening here as well, I think.

Cue the final number. I adore “Like a Prayer” to pieces, but it’s a problematic video to begin with. Bringing in a black gospel choir may hark back to the original and may create another feel-good moment, but in the end it replicates Madonna’s original problems without being able to complicate, resolve, or even just adding an ironic spin.

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By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/22/gleek-club-the-power-of-madonna/comment-page-1/#comment-3796 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:56:32 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3259#comment-3796 to be clear, I don’t care much about plot in Glee. I’m in it for humor and wry commentary. So when the songs get meta and smart, I like it; whether there’s plot on offer or not, I don’t really mind (in fact, I usually find the plot kind of pointless).

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