Comments on: Character Bleed; or, What is Lorelai Gilmore Doing with Nate Fisher? http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Destroyed by Pity? « Celebrity Gossip, Academic Style http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4629 Fri, 07 May 2010 19:02:51 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4629 […] “Character Bleed, Or, What’s Lorelei Gilmore Doing with Nate Fischer” (Kristina Busse on the ways that television characters previous roles ‘bleed’ onto their new performances.) […]

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By: Lisa http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4578 Fri, 07 May 2010 00:07:12 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4578 I think “Castle” is an interesting example of this character bleed—and how it can be intentionally used. The producers of “Castle” seem to be very aware that much of the show’s popularity derives from Nathan Fillion’s popularity and the rather rabid fan base he’s built from his work with Joss Whedon. And so the show has intentionally made winks to those past roles: making a Buffy joke in an episode, having the character Rick Castle dress as a space cowboy in the Halloween episode (with a knowing comment from another character on it). This week’s episode referenced Dr. Horrible’s Sing-along-Blog. These little winks act as a reward for Fillion’s fans who follow him from project to project.

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By: Kristina Busse http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4499 Wed, 05 May 2010 16:24:10 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4499 I like the idea of thematic spin-offs or character similarity spin-offs so to speak. And, of course, I didn’t write about the purposeful casting…I’m so audience-focused that I tend to pretend there’s no writers/producers/casting agents 🙂 And clearly these are purposeful decisions! But like my interaction with Derek shows, it’s not as clear that everyone will respond the same…

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By: Kristina Busse http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4498 Wed, 05 May 2010 16:01:21 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4498 Right. I think we really need to try to acknowledge and incorporate these things more into our reception theory. I’m still in love with your post (comment?) a while back about flipping channels and having several shows talk to one another. Likewise, commercial interruptions (or local ticker posts at the bottom of the screen…). Didn’t Josh talk about this at some point in a TV off TV post, discussing the online paratexts? Too many thoughts 🙂

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By: Myles McNutt http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4495 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:32:01 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4495 See also: Kelsey Grammer as “Frasier Crane turned suburban father” in this season’s Hank, the season’s first canceled series.

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By: Christopher Cwynar http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4493 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:16:32 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4493 Very interesting post. One element of this that hasn’t come up is the extent to which producers do or do endeavor to create or cast vehicles in an effort to consciously recall an actor’s previous work. I am thinking specifically of the trajectory of Ted Danson from Cheers->Ink->Becker and Julia-Louis Dreyfus’ ‘Watching Ellie’ and the ‘The New Adventures of Old Christine’. While these series are not exactly spin-offs, there seems to be in each case an effort to summon the positive associations of the star with a successful program from the past. Certainly, fans often seem to expect these continuations, but I find it interested to think of the ways in which stars might negotiate these transparent attempts to replicate or reproduce their success in a prior context.

With this in mind, I wonder how this affects the star’s performance, and whether or not these questions of difference and similarity draw a significant amount of attention during production and the test screening process. Were Danson and Dreyfuss more likely to play up the similarities in mannerism, delivery etc between their previous characters and their new vehicles, or is this something that they might try to avoid with varying degrees of success? This seems to a particularly common issue in the situation comedy where so many of the shows have, at least in the past, been star vehicles and the star’s comedic style is often such a drawing point.

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By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4477 Wed, 05 May 2010 05:21:41 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4477 I struggled with this in tonight’s Lost, continually frustrated that Sayid didn’t try his hand at disposing the bomb earlier, partly because Naveen Andrews will always be Kip the bomb disposer in The English Patient to me. It created a lot more tension and angst for me, though, and made the conclusion all the more interesting.

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By: Kristina Busse http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4468 Wed, 05 May 2010 00:17:15 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4468 That’s even more true of fannish roles, I think. While we love to follow actors, we do enjoy them playing similar roles (or at least similar characters). McGyver to O’Neill is not that far of a stretch. David Fisher to Dexter Morgan’s much harder!

But then it might also be a function of ‘character’ actors versus type cast ones. De Niro pretty much’s always DeNiro for me, whereas i can watch Hannibal Lecter, Stevens (in Remains of the Day) and Nixon in turn and stay firmly within the text.

But you’re totally right about TV actors being longterm associated with roles–for better or worse! [And now i’m trying to think of lead actors/actresses reinventing themselves for several central role runs…]

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By: Anne Helen Petersen http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4459 Tue, 04 May 2010 22:09:29 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4459 I just finished teaching television ‘stardom’ to my undergrads, and we had a lot of discussion about differentiates a film star, TV star, TV actor, TV personality. (James Bennett’s recent work on TV’s ‘personality system’ is especially productive when thinking through the new batch of reality stars that have emerged over the last 20 years). Of course, there are old (and tired) arguments dating to the early ’80s (Langer; Ellis) about the fact that TV stars possess less ‘aura’ than the film star. But my contention is actually strongly linked to what you point out above — TV stars find it difficult to transition into film roles (and other TV roles, for that matter) because they have played a single character for such an extended period of time that his/her image is inextricable from the character that formed his/her ‘ground note.’ Graham is thus always Lorelai; Jennifer Aniston is Rachel (and has only been able to succeed in film through playing Rachel roles); the guy who plays Lester Freeman is Lester Freeman, etc. etc.

The heavily alignment with a singular (and very popular role) can lead to that particular actor becoming a star — defined by fan knowledge of his/her extra-textual life. But at the same time, the actor is also confined to that role, and usually unable to outgrow/move on from it. (There are, of course, exceptions, but they are few and far between).

Ultimately, this is what differentiates television stardom from film stardom — if Tom Cruise is an indelible Top Gun, he’s still only that character for one two hour chunk, and can go on to other movies (and bigger pay checks) that still recycle that image, but do so in ways that further his career. In contrast, while the TV star may receive a steady paycheck over the course of 3-10 years, his/her career is wed, perhaps forever, to that singular role.

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By: Kristina Busse http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/03/character-bleed-or-what-is-lorelai-gilmore-doing-with-nate-fisher/comment-page-1/#comment-4456 Tue, 04 May 2010 21:03:39 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3503#comment-4456 OMG, I had no idea Krause and Graham are dating 🙂

And yes, I think it’ll create nice backward intertextuality when rewatching GG.

And you’re not the only person who responded to m,y piece talking about Dexter. Now there’s a character backlash you don’t want to have fall back onto 6fU 😀

I think what I was most fascinated with when I was writing this was that regardless of the interpretive community agreements I used as examples from canon/fanon, Derek’s and my reaction (and yours) showed how incredibly personal it is.

I love reception aesthetics and like that film and TV studies has embraced audience studies much more thoroughly than language departments ever did. And yet I keep on coming back to a Five readers reading scenario, because my individual experiences are central to all reception and not generalizable…

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