Comments on: Ethical Gaming http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Nina Huntemann http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-26303 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:20:27 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-26303 Post-script to the post-script above: RockStar parent company Take-Two Interactive reported “unexpected third-quarter profits” due to the sale of Red Dead Redemption. Share-holders win; laid-off developers, not so much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/technology/03game.html

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By: Nina Huntemann http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-20022 Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:18:03 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-20022 Despite selling 1.5 million copies of Red Dead Redemption in its first month, RockStar Games did, indeed, layoff 40 people at the San Diego studio. This news is a sad postscript to the RockStar Wives controversy and highlights the precarious position of game developers, even in the wake of blockbuster success.

http://kotaku.com/5587413/rumor-rockstar-lays-off-40-from-red-dead-redemption-team

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By: Is No One Safe from My Biting Pen? « Bryant Paul Johnson http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-10035 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:42:23 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-10035 […] Uncategorized Leave a Comment Tags: games, illustration An illustration that accompanied Nina Huntemann’s article about the ethics of immaterial consumption (specifically related to the allegations that the labor […]

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By: Don Carli http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-8209 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:09:15 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-8209 Hi Nina:

Thanks for the mention. In fact, my article does discuss gaming. Particularly some of the environmental and social impacts of games, and the potential for a serious game to help solve the dilemma that is the subject of the article.

I’m interested in how environmental studies and gaming intersect, and would love to chat. My twitter handle is @dcarli

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By: Nina Huntemann http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-8192 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 00:55:05 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-8192 Thank you all for the comments. I’m not usually inclined to boycott products, particular if the effect of doing so is so far removed from the damage (like your Orson Scott Card example, Sean. And no, didn’t mean to instill any guilt :-). Derek summed up what I’m looking for from game studies (and media studies in general): increased knowledge and foregrounding of these relationships, in all the ways it might slice. Production studies is definitely the direction I feel these questions are pulling me.

Thanks for mentioning the gold farmers Lisa. I cut that bit out for the short post, but your recent work in this area has absolutely contributed to my thinking about immaterial/virtual labor in the games industry. And keep eating those cherry tomatoes! The more you harvest, the more will grow.

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By: Lisa nakamura http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-8138 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:27:41 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-8138 Nina: what a great post. Studies of digital media have been preoccupied lately with issues of labor, both within virtual worlds (ie gold farmers, people who play games like world of warcraft for actual, sweated-labor style real money wages), using sites like Amazon as a platform (ie the Mechanical Turk, a labor market that exploits casual workers pretty heavily but is greatly loved by those looking for labor, including, apparently, professors and scholars who can replace their grad assistants without dealing with tuition waivers). Jonathan Zittrain has a nice video about this called “Minds for Sale” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw3h-rae3uo

But there’s less work on “virtual labor” or labor at a distance when we look at devices themselves. And it’s cool that you’re doing this. Jack Qiu’s book on cellphone manufacture in China really makes it clear the human cost of these devices–many many fingers are lost in these factories. It’s more glamorous to imagine digital media as producing different kind of virtuality and disembodiment–but working overtime all the time is not a disembodied way to live, and certainly not a way to raise a family.

As for boycotting these devices for that reason, there are lots of reasons to say no to different aspects of digital media culture. Quit Facebook day is part of this movement.

by the way, your cherry tomato is doing extremely well. I ate some yesterday.

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By: Derek Kompare http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-8056 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:58:29 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-8056 Great, challenging post, Nina. Any of the media we consume and study (or rather, “study” as in this context a subset of “consume”) is fraught with these issues, and we’ve neglected them for far, far too long. As Sean points out, given the intricate, multi-staged, and collaborative nature of media production, there are many ways this issue slices. For example, I’m personally repulsed by the rapist Roman Polanski’s self-pity, but does that mean I no longer screen Chinatown when I teach? Similarly, do we boycott all of News Corp’s output (which would include the likes of Glee, The Simpsons, House, The X-Files, Family Guy, and every film released by 20th Century-Fox) for the sins of Fox News? Do we punish Apple for shortening tech generations, thus increasing e-waste?

Clearly, everywhere we look and hear has similar issues. We don’t need to retreat to media paralysis, but we do need to better understand and foreground the relationships between media, labor, and the environment. Production studies has helped inject some much-needed critical life into this understanding, though much more still needs to be done.

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By: Sean C. Duncan http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-8054 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:31:57 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-8054 Er, typo: Peter David was the “writer” of Shadow Complex. This is the kind of blog where if I sloppily use the term “author,” someone’s going to jump all over me. 🙂

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By: Sean C. Duncan http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/06/04/ethical-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-8050 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:29:48 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=4570#comment-8050 I’ll be honest, even though I raised a few ethical questions in my earlier post, during RDR’s development, I ended up pre-ordering the game anyway. Now, I haven’t had much time to play it yet, but I’ve enjoyed what I’ve experienced so far, and find it one of the better open world games of recent years.

I hadn’t felt guilty about that choice until this post, and I’m certain that wasn’t your intent, regardless. But, still, you raise some interesting points here — as a player and a fan, and one aware of the allegedly problematic workplace environment at Rockstar San Diego, I suspect there are media that I’ll shell out money for, regardless of ethical issues with their development. A Rockstar-designed, open world, Western-themed game is something I know I want to experience, and I have to admit, I’d be probably be buying this game no matter what…

Another recent case to look at might be the controversy over Shadow Complex, released for XBLA last year. A superbly-designed Castlevania/Metroid style side-scroller, it was based on source material written by Orson Scott Card, whose outspoken opposition to homosexuality and same-sex marriage are repellant to many (myself included). There was a brief boycott of the game that turned into some very productive and interesting fan discussions about the game’s development — at what point a boycott of the game harmed people who had nothing to do with Card and his politics, how much compensation Card was receiving for the licensing of his world and thus how significant the boycott would actually be, and whether or not Peter David (the game’s author) was, in fact, attempting to subvert element’s of Card’s world (and implicit politics) through this game. Scratch the surface, and there were many other factors to consider.

A very different case than that of RDR, but perhaps instructive in helping us get a handle on the complexity of the ethical dilemmas with these kinds of media products. I boycotted Shadow Complex for a while, but ended up buying it in the end, as well; my interest in the game ended up trumping any ethical issues I had with Card, disgusting politics aside. My purchasing of the game wouldn’t significantly help Card, and was, rather, a form of support for the devs at Chair, who had designed an excellent game.

I don’t mean this in a haphazard or dismissive way, but these are *well-designed* games, and ethical issues with their development aside, I needed to experience them. Your post raises a great issue for me, personally: Will I only choose to boycott terrible games?

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