Comments on: Is There Room for Narrative Complexity in News about Politics? http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Stewart Viscarro http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-24422 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:28:13 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-24422 An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn’t happen today.

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By: Jeffrey Jones http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-405 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:19:20 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-405 I know you were kidding about parallel universes as well, but I thought the lead paragraph of the NYTimes piece linked to here captures the real-life dilemma of “both/and” quite well:

“Yes, he’s a liberal, except when he’s not. He’s antiwar, except for the one he’s escalating. He’s for bailouts, but wants to rein in the banks. He’s concentrating ever-more power in the West Wing, except when he’s being overly deferential to Congress. He’s cool, except when he’s fighting-hot. In a world that presents so many fast-moving and intractable problems, nuance, flexibility, pragmatism — even a full range of human emotions — are no doubt good things….Is it possible to embrace complexity in a political and media culture that demands simple themes and promotes conflict?”

For this author, the problem resides in Obama as storyteller. I wonder if the problem doesn’t reside elsewhere. Surely all publics desire mythical story lines for their leaders (Kennedy, Reagan, Stalin), but does the entirety of our citizenry have to have narratives equivalent to Julia, Marcus Welby, M.D., or The Rockford Files? I guess I expect more in the post-network era.

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By: Kelli Marshall http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-404 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:34:12 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-404 Yippee! Glad to help…

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By: Lindsay H. Garrison http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-403 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:43:02 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-403 We should have the option now to subscribe to comments now. Thanks all!

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By: Liz Ellcessor http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-401 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:26:22 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-401 Thanks for the suggestion, Kelli!

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By: Kelli Marshall http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-399 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:54:32 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-399 That’s just for the RSS feed, I think. This plug-in (and others like it) puts a little tick box at the end of each post. You should find one on the bottom of my most recent blog post: http://kellimarshall.net/unmuzzledthoughts/television/miss-america

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By: Kelli Marshall http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-398 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:51:37 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-398 Oh dear! =)

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By: Jeffrey Jones http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-397 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:50:29 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-397 There is a subscribe tab at the very top. Is this the same thing?

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By: Jeffrey Jones http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:43:16 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-396 Well, I almost wrote (but removed) something similar–wouldn’t it be interesting to see if viewers of Fox News and According to Jim overlapped as well! 🙂

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By: Jeffrey Jones http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/05/is-there-room-for-narrative-complexity-in-news-about-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-394 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:34:03 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1611#comment-394 I do realize that what you and others are describing in the realm of fictional narrative probably shouldn’t be extrapolated and superimposed onto other genres. With that said, I guess I am wondering if the core concept of narrative complexity might not still have value in this situation (given this running discourse about political narratives). For of course, Stewart IS arguing that Fox has done just that–provided a “guiding hand” that tells a very clear story that publics want to hear. I think if we had true and unfettered access and honesty from Roger Ailes, we might see this news auteur (and I mean that will all seriousness) at work. And similarly with political narratives crafted by politicians. Read any kiss-and-tell book or exposes after they leave office (from Selling of the President to On Bended Knee and others) and you see similar guiding hands, even if half the time they want to take credit for successes that might be luck or random.

Of course, you are correct in noting that real life is complex and haphazard and much more difficult to control than can be done by the writers of Lost. But as all students of media know, these writers also have to deal with lots of issues thrown at them that they, as storytellers, might not wish would interfere with the reality they desire to create.

But back to the central point: I think we would do well to pay attention to the guiding hands of political narratives in the realm of news and public affairs. There is nothing neutral about Fox, Comedy Central, or even CNN in how they go about the business of crafting their stories as branded networks. And just as the realities of real life Baltimore (Sheila Dixon, Baltimore Sun, et al.) got planted right in the middle of The Wire’s complex narrative, we would be foolish not to see that the realities of the nation are the central ingredients for the construction of simple or complext news narratives.

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