Comments on: A Post against “post-“ http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Jeffrey Jones http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-515 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:13:59 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-515 Maybe the problem is we have this backwards, and need to turn it on its head. In 2010, we NOW understand what a real “network” truly is (despite the fact we’ve lived with phone networks for a long time), not the oligopoly of program distribution that transformed local broadcasting and licensure into three national behemoths. We have willfully adopted the language they used–networks–when, in fact, what a weak-ass conception of a “network” it truly was. In short, the “wealth of networks” available to us today that Benkler describes looks nothing like what we call the “network era” of mass communication. What we live in TODAY is the Networked Era (Digitally Networked/ing Era). What happened from 1946-1985 was instead the Oligop Era.

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-506 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:15:35 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-506 No – it will be Society for Cinema and Digital Convergence Studies…

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By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-498 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:46:54 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-498 Or perhaps it will already be called the Society for Digital Convergence Studies by then? 😉

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By: Tim Anderson http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-497 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:51:02 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-497 This conversation goes straight into the time capsule

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By: Amanda "Post-Network" Lotz http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-496 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:39:10 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-496 Let’s mark our calendars now–we’ll propose a workshop for SCMS 2030 on the Future and/or Death of Television. We can offer our preferred categorization, poll those who show up, and the winner buys dinner.

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-481 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:06:10 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-481 Damn – this whole post was just a ruse to start a public blood feud with Amanda!

I concur that what we call it in 20 years should be more accurate than today, and hindsight matters. But I’m pretty sure that post-network will not be the best term, while digital convergence or digital renetworked/-ing might be. I’d rather risk being wrong than knowingly use a term that’s bound to cause problems in hindsight.

And I look forward to the next generation of media scholars mocking us for talking about the “digital” when quantum computing becomes commonplace!

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By: Amanda "Post-Network" Lotz http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-480 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:50:09 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-480 I guess as perhaps an obvious proponent (or at least open user) of post-network, I should offer a few comments.
Jason Mittell is not dead to me. I see a number of his points. In fact, I’ve adopted his chosen distinction of networks (broadcast) v. channels (cable), despite the fact that this too has troublesome aspects.

Words matter, but they have their limits and at some point I’ve found as an author, you need to accept some baggage and just pick a word. I spent the better part of the last decade arguing the merits of a particular definition of postfeminism—and that was a theoretically-based distinction. I don’t relish a repeat with post-network. Jason offered this critique when I was drafting The Television Will Be Revolutionized and I gave it a lot of thought and responded to his key concerns in presenting it in the book—so I’ll not rehash that here.

I think the tail of this discussion that gets to the socio-historical context of naming is particularly helpful. I don’t think I could have identified the multi-channel transition as such in the late 1980s or even early 1990s. It is only with the passage of time that it becomes clear that of all of the changes television experienced in that timeframe, it was the development of a more multi-channel environment that truly defines that period’s shift.

Maybe a decade or 15 years from now, we’ll be able to say that the shift that begins in the early 2000s is one of digital convergence. As of today though, I don’t buy it. Sure the technical capability is there, but we need time to see what really happens with the way most people really use television, how industrial practices adapt, etc. I suspect digital will be key, but maybe not in the ways that currently seem most obvious.

Sure, post-network has its limits, but I remain in the camp comfortable with it as the best of current options (thanks to others who have articulated them here).

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By: Jeffrey Jones http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-459 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:26:17 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-459 Or to add one point–I guess “new” is like “post” in that its value is in what it is not, its negation (but again, that is what started this post (pun intended). As noted above, I don’t have a problem with that.

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By: Jeffrey Jones http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-458 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:21:02 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-458 There is something “disturbing” about academics discussing terminology and calling it “dangerous.” Dick Cheney is dangerous. Calling major cultural and economic shifts associated with the mass appropriation of different technologies “new”–despite the fact that we used to be able to print out our name in pixels across these long sheets of paper for birthday parties back in the 60s and 70s, or some PhDs at UCLA and Stanford could send some work to someone else at Illinois–is anything but “dangerous.”

But I guess this relates. I have used the word “new” before in naming (“New Political Television”), but as with what Jonathan writes above, it is a bit difficult to offer a name for something as it is newly emergent or rapidly developing (for me, in the late-1990s/early 2000s, though we still don’t have an adequate name to describe the intersections of entertainment and politics–at least a term that would take those interactions seriously). But maybe as Jonathan correctly suggests in a similar post (http://www.extratextual.tv/2009/06/isnt-new-getting-a-bit-old/), we are rapidly coming up on 20 years of “new media” language–perhaps time for some precision. But in many ways, isn’t that difficulty what this whole post and discussion points to?

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By: Liz Ellcessor http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/07/post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-448 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:26:58 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=1471#comment-448 If you’re liking “digitally renetworked era,” you might also want to check out David Parry’s reflections on the terrible term “new media” at Flow – http://flowtv.org/?p=4771.

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