Comments on: Watching Twitter on TV http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Wide Angle » Our Changing Relationship with TV http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-6365 Wed, 26 May 2010 14:21:40 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-6365 […] watch their friends’ reactions to on-screen events in real time. A number of televisions are shipping with this functionality on-board as well. And finally,  Google TV promises to bring the social […]

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By: The Chutry Experiment » Oscar Wrap http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-1172 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:37:12 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-1172 […] guessing that even with a large volume of Oscar tweets, the percentage of people who were “watching Twitter on TV” was probably relatively small, at least compared to the vast “silent majority” […]

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By: The Chutry Experiment » Anticipating Oscar http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-1082 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:46:16 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-1082 […] But the Oscars are also fun because they invite the same water-cooler discussions associated with other forms of “event TV,” such as the Super Bowl and, to a lesser extent, the Emmys and Golden Globes, an issue addressed in Sheila Seles’ Convergence Culture Consortium blog post.  Like her, I enjoy live-blogging (or, more likely in our evolved social media climate, live-tweeting) the Oscars and sharing my fascination about the awards with others.  Seles mentions in passing a New York Times article that reports that many of these TV event shows have been receiving record ratings.  This past Super Bowl even surpassed the final episode of M*A*S*H for total number of viewers, a fact that would likely bother me slightly if I wasn’t a huge Drew Brees fan.  The New York Times article attributes this reversal–TV ratings for top shows have been declining for some time–to the “water-cooler effect” associated with social media tools like Twitter, a phenomenon echoed in Max Dawson’s discussion of “watching Twitter on TV.” […]

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By: Mark Stewart http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-891 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:16:08 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-891 A short, and not completely thought through comment…

I find this whole concept fascinating, but feel that it raises a significant issue around location. It has to be remembered that a huge number of people (media and TV scholars included) live outside of North America, and as such, have no way of participating in such a discussion without being spoiled. Even those of us who manage to catch up fairly soon, through various nefarious means, still often find that discussion has lulled. Whilst the digital nature of entertainment has shrunk the gaps between the US and the rest of the world (New Zealand is getting Lost about a week later at the moment), the ability for pseudo-real-time communication has meant that these discussions are also well out of reach. The transient nature of Twitter means that those moments which don’t become blog posts are lost to us for ever.

My only consolation comes from having watched 5 seasons of Outrageous Fortune before Scoundrels has hit the air…

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By: Max Dawson http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-808 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:35:59 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-808 Jason, you’ve raised some interesting questions about screen specificity and real estate. I’d imagine viewers of different generations will have very different takes on these matters. On the one hand, I’m tempted to say that people who grew up watching TV on laptops and computer monitors (i.e., our students) wouldn’t think twice about sacrificing full screen TV for the opportunity to keep multiple widgets running while they watch. (Heck, even old timers like us are pretty comfortable with fractured TV screens from watching CNN, ESPN, The Weather Channel, etc. Drama is another story, though…) On the other hand, I’m equally tempted to imagine that these same viewers would regard TV widgets as a sorry substitute for the sort of windowed multitasking that computers perform so elegantly. At least until TV input devices (remote controls) become more full featured (or until we start using our smart phones or tablets to control our sets), I can’t imagine heavy Internet users trading their laptops for web-connected, widget-equipped TVs…

All this makes me think that Pew could have added a question to their millennials quiz about screen/medium specificity and television. Perhaps something along the lines of:

Do you primarily watch tv on a

a) TV
b) PC or laptop
c) what is this “TV” of which you speak?

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By: Derek Kompare http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-794 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:58:58 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-794 That’s been my experience as well, for quite some time. While one can certainly “do” fandom at almost any speed and intensity, it’s very difficult to engage in real-time or immediately after the fact discussion if you’re watching in real time. We’ve used a DVR since 2001 (I think we’re on our fifth or so by now), and rarely watch anything live, including sports!

My experience with Doctor Who is indicative of this. One of the great ironies of the show’s successful resurgence since 2005 for me has been how I’ve retreated out of active fandom simply because I cannot keep up with it. True, because of, um, certain software applications, I can obtain the episodes within hours of their UK broadcast. However, more often than not, I don’t get around to watching it for a day or two. I’m now in the habit of steering well clear of my old fan haunts in order to avoid getting spoiled (technically, after-the-broadcast discussions are not “spoilers,” but they are on a personal level if you haven’t yet seen the episode). I miss talking about it online, but I don’t miss the disruptions it would cause to my life. It’s kind of like how I still love indie pop, but no longer pay any attention to shows or release dates; 2007ish is still new enough to me!

Oddly, I’ve found it more satisfying to participate in online TV fandom *between* seasons, where we’re all (more or less) on the same schedule, and can ruminate more broadly. Again, lots of ways to “do” fandom; YMMV, though I wonder if we (as in academics) are validating/defaulting too often to “real-time” fandom in our assumptions about media engagement?

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By: Erin Meyers http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-790 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:06:23 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-790 I think the spoiler factor of live tweeting is relevant to re-thinking how online fandom itself works. But more than simply having a time shifted show spoiled, do those fans that can’t/don’t watch a show in real time lose the chance to comment on it?

I’m not a Twitter user, but I think this is relevant to other online fan spaces, like blogs. On nights when I time shift Lost or Project Runway, I then avoid reading about them on various blogs. But if I don’t get to them for a couple of days, the chance to participate in the discussion seems pretty diminished, depending on the blog. So many comments have already been posted and, particularly on blogs that are not solely focused on those shows, others are no longer actively participating in conversation (or likely even reading what is contributed 3 days after the original post). I certainly still enjoy reading updates, recaps, and commentary days later, but that’s not quite the same as participating in the discussion of the shows on various blogs.

Does this create a sort of hierarchy of online fandom? Sure, anyone can participate in there various online discussions, but seems the window for active discussion is somewhat limited. I think Anne’s comment below about time zone issues is relevant here as well.

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-787 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:06:13 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-787 I think there’s a better chance for such invites to work now – I certainly feel the journalist/academic critical barrier is much more fluid today than 2 years ago, mostly due to the Twitter. So try again this Flow & enlist help of the tvitterati!

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-786 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:02:41 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-786 Great post & conversation (and a reminder that such conversations can exceed 140 characters!). I am wondering about the potential limits of TV screens though – even with larger & higher-def screens, the cultural norm is that television is a “full screen” form, not a windowed app. Maybe it’s my old-school medium specificity, but I cannot imagine watching TV on my TV in a window with other apps running, as I do on my laptop. If such practice takes hold, I think it will create a need for some furniture/room design adjustments, as the proximity needed for full-screen viewing and tvittering seems quite different. But as of now, the dual screen model – which resembles the older tech practice of talking on the phone while watching TV – seems much more “normal” within our media environment.

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By: Cory Barker http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/02/25/watching-twitter-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-760 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:01:01 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2101#comment-760 Oh! Thanks for the shout out Max.

As someone who is trying to break into the field, I’ll be honest that there are only a few things that excite me more than getting an @reply from people I admire or read on a daily basis. When I did a post recently that was RT’ed by Christine, then mentioned by Myles AND then by Max, it was just a glorious day for me. And without Twitter, I don’t think that could happen. Sure, I’ve taken a class with Max and so we could trade e-mails, but I wouldn’t be able to get to the attention of people like Myles unless I pestered him with comments or personal e-mails.

As Myles suggested, it is interesting how the want to follow Twitter during a program is based on a relationship with spoilers. For me, last night’s Idol was great to watch with Twitter — because it was so bad that I just had to see what people like Dan Fienberg were saying. But if it’s Lost, I actually shut my computer off to completely avoid the temptation and when I open it again to write my recap, I avoid starting TweetDeck because I don’t want to be influenced by others’ opinions until I’m finished. But then I can’t stop looking at tweets from Myles, Mo Ryan, Sepinwall or even the now-ambivalent Max. Just like this discussion here, I’m just glad to be involved.

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