Comments on: Lost Wednesdays: Smokey and the Torturer http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1113 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:55:21 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1113 But look at it from Jacob’s point of view – to bring the candidates to the Island (and eventually save it), he needed to crash flight 815, which was triggered by the bomb causing the electromagnetic disruption/Swan Station, etc. There are multiple lines of fate that might be in play…

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By: Sean C. Duncan http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1105 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:13:07 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1105 The big problem I have with this is that it cheapens “the incident” to becoming just some other random event, and not a significant one that actually shaped the formation of the sideways timeline. The balance idea is an intriguing one, but I suspect the sideways timeline occurred because of the incident.

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By: Sean C. Duncan http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1075 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:49:47 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1075 Yeah, the eye close-up seems a no-brainer. Re: Desmond, I don’t know about the reality skipping, but I do suspect he’ll play a role not unlike Faraday did last season. Show up in the first few minutes of the episode and then become important in the closing episodes; the scene on the plane being a tiny teaser.

Since we’re talking about theories, my favorite theory about Adam & Eve is that they’re Desmond and Penny — Charlie Hume grows up to become Charles Widmore, and his own grandfather. We have no idea who Penny’s mother is or if she’s even biologically Charles’s daughter, but I think there’d be a decent poetry to it. Like Hawking faced with raising Daniel, all the time knowing he’d die in 1977, Widmore would grow up on the island, all the time knowing he’d be responsible for bringing his parents together and forcing them to a place they didn’t want to be. I like the symmetry there, though there’s really nothing to indicate this is something they’re really leading toward.

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By: Bärbel Göbel http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1061 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:30:37 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1061 Oh god, please don’t be right … 🙂
That’d be the end of my nerves and several friendships I’m afraid. 😉

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By: Ben http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1040 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:32:33 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1040 I’m absolutely banking on two of these things happening: Desmond being able to skip back and forth between realities, and the final shot of the eye. I called the final eye shot in Season 2. I hope it happens.

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By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1036 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:18:04 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1036 yes on the eye close-up, not sure about the rest 😉

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1034 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:03:29 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1034 A brief addendum: I wrote above that I thought the sideways might be the reward for people like Sayid helping Smokey off the island. Thinking more about it, here’s my latest take on it:

Smokey has generally been quite truthful in his claims, except that Jacob is not protecting the island from something. The balance of black & white on the island allows it to exist – once Jacob & Smokey are not there to maintain that balance, it ceases to be. Over the next few episodes, Smokey will succeed in leaving, which will create a ripple effect that retroactively causes the island to sink as we witnessed in “LA X.” (Time being non-linear for Trafalmadorians like Jacob & Smokey, of course!)

The timeline will reboot in a way that all of our island friends will have the semi-happy lives free of Jacob’s meddling that we’ve been seeing… except for some residual lingering traces of the past. I figure Desmond, who became special with the failsafe, somehow can straddle these realities and is able to put the band back together in 2004, where they go back to the underwater island to do something really important but cryptic for somebody (Widmore? Faraday? Jacob’s ghost?). And that’s where the show will end, with redemption, struggle, and a really big close-up of somebody’s eye.

Thoughts?

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By: Sean http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1027 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:57:38 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1027 Yeah, I’m with Jason on this interpretation — the key flashback for me was last season (?) when we got to see Sayid as the kid who would do the dirty jobs that his weaker older brother wouldn’t do. Sayid’s conflict is all about being the one who did what needed to be done (sideways-Sayid killing Keamy last night seems to be another manifestation of this), even when he knows it might make his life even harder.

One thing I noticed last night — of the three main Oceanics that are part of Team Smokey now (Claire, Sayid, Sawyer), all of them still seem inordinately hung up on people they’d lost. Claire seems to have gone insane over the loss of Aaron, Sayid is still destroyed because of Nadia’s death, and even after he seemed to get some peace after killing Locke’s dad and getting over his parents’ death, Sawyer now seems hung up on Juliet’s death.

So much of the show has been about choices and how the cast deals with death, and I don’t see this as a coincidence. Jack doesn’t seem terribly torn up about his father anymore, Kate’s never seemed particularly bothered by what she did, and Ben actually seems remorseful for his actions. I’m guessing this will become more important as the season progresses?

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By: Myles McNutt http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:21:23 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1022 Yeah – there were initial concerns when Desmond wasn’t in any of the pre-season promotional materials (he is absent from the cast photo, for example), but Lindelof and Cuse stated very clearly that his absence was more story-driven than salary-driven, assuring us he is still a season regular and still has a role to play.

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/03/03/lost-wednesdays-smokey-and-the-torturer/comment-page-1/#comment-1019 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:57:25 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=2339#comment-1019 I see the depth in Sayid’s angst about his “true nature” that distinguishes him from Kate. She seems to selfishly do bad things to survive & escape, and never really regrets her actions. He does bad things for what he sees as a greater purpose (perhaps a greater “good”, but that term is under attack on the show at the moment), and always bears the weight of regret. Sayid’s function on the show is as an amalgamation of various henchman roles – the muscle, the tech genius, the undercover agent – who keeps changing bosses. It’s never for money, but rather for something bigger like justice or saving loved ones, at the cost of his own soul.

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