Comments on: Why So Young, Network TV? http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-4696 Sun, 09 May 2010 01:02:36 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3716#comment-4696 Good points, Lindsay, and I don’t mean to suggest that older viewers can’t get into shows with young’uns in them. Cable news, too, of course, is designed wholly for the over 55 set.

But I worry that Hollywood can at times too easily excuse its bad casting practices by saying that “everyone” can engage with yet another petite blond 23 year-old, for instance. I invoke Havens’s concept of “industry lore” above, and he proposes that in the context of discussing how Hollywood believes that African-American programming doesn’t sell well around the world … as if everyone, black, white, or otherwise, could engage with a white family, but not a black family. The irony is that several shows with African Americans have done very well overseas. Hollywood seems to be in a similar bind here — they no doubt think that older viewers prefer, or can at least get behind, shows with lotsa young folk in them, so they don’t feel that casting older people is all that necessary, while young viewers (as evident with the White campaign, with Golden Girls’ continued popularity, or in worship for George Costanza’s parents) may actually appreciate older cast members. Young becomes a form of whiteness — the norm that supposedly everyone can get behind, and that marginalizes age in the process just as non-white racial “others” are similarly marginalized.

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By: Jordan Lavender-Smith http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-4687 Sat, 08 May 2010 18:34:36 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3716#comment-4687 Great article. I’ll be tuning in as well. This reminds me of a great passage in Don DeLillo’s _White Noise_. Murray tells Jack about a discussion he has with his students (presumably in their early 20s):

“‘Even as we sit here,’ I tell them, ‘you are spinning out from the core, becoming less recognizable as a group, less targetable by advertisers and mass-producers of culture. Kids are a true universal. But you’re well beyond that, already beginning to drift, to feel estranged from the products you consume. Who are they designed for? What is your place in the marketing scheme? Once you’re out of school, it is only a matter of time before you experience the vast loneliness and dissatisfaction of consumers who have lost their group identity.’ Then I tap my pencil on the table to indicate time passing ominously.”

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By: Lindsay H. Garrison http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-4679 Sat, 08 May 2010 15:41:22 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3716#comment-4679 Great post, Jonathan. The construction of audiences and lack of programming “targeted” to a demographic over 55 is something I’ve thought about and wrestled with, too (as someone who’s fascinated with the likes of Justin Bieber). I have a some thoughts on the issue, but none that I can articulate coherently in the middle of wrapping up the semester (damn you, seminar papers!). I would, however, just like to throw in a little reminder that there is, of course, a difference between representations of people over 55 and programming “for” those over 55, not to mention what actual individuals in that part of their life might actually want to watch and enjoy. Also, what *is* currently on the air in terms of an older generation seems to be mostly a white experience. Let’s problematize this notion of representation and just what programming “for” any given demographic is and/or might be. 🙂

Also, having said that, I have two words for you: Sunset Daze. Enjoy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/arts/television/27daze.html

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By: Myles McNutt http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-4675 Sat, 08 May 2010 15:01:44 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3716#comment-4675 I’d call it a glorified cameo, if I had to label it based on what I’ve read, so your point certainly still stands (not that I was attempting to knock it down).

And to be fair to the show, the three stars of the show are outside of the demo (Malick is 60, while Bertinelli and Leeves are 50/49), so they are doing their part even with White in a marginal role.

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By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-4674 Sat, 08 May 2010 14:33:08 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3716#comment-4674 Maybe I’m wrong, but she sounds like a supporting character there, Myles. So yeah, better than nothing, and I’m happy to see her get more work, but what I’d really like to see is older folk as stars. I’m sure some older viewers would be happy, and I’d love to see the likes of Fred Willard and Swoosie Kurtz get regular starring gigs, not just sidekick status or as guests on Chuck.

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By: Kelli Marshall http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-4672 Sat, 08 May 2010 14:15:48 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3716#comment-4672 I’m so looking forward to seeing White tonight; I haven’t tuned in to SNL since the ’90s (well, I suppose I did watch Tina Fey a couple of weeks ago, but that’s about it).

I’m not sure if you subscribe to EW, but this week’s issue featured a nice article on White. The pictures themselves are enough to draw you in: http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20316039,00.html

PS. Any time I get to read an excerpt from BOSTON LEGAL, my day is made. Thanks! So many excellent self-referential lines in that show. Denny Crane, Denny Crane. =)

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By: Myles McNutt http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/05/08/why-so-young-network-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-4671 Sat, 08 May 2010 14:12:47 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=3716#comment-4671 I keep getting press releases about it, so I do know that White IS returning to television…on cable, and nostalgia-oriented cable at that, on TV Land’s “Hot in Cleveland,” also starring Wendie Malick, Valerine Bertinelli and Jane Leeves.

From said press release:

““Hot In Cleveland” revolves around three fabulous best friends from LA – novelist Melanie Moretti (Bertinelli), eye-brow archer to the stars Joy Scroggs (Leeves) and former soap star Victoria Chase (Malick) – who find their lives changed forever when their plane, headed for Paris, makes an unexpected landing. When the friends discover that they are hot in Cleveland, they decide to stay. Starting over, they rent a house that happens to come with a very feisty caretaker (White).”

Obviously, TV Land is not NBC and actually caters to older demographics, but they’re buying adspace during tonight’s show, so they’re clearly trying to use this as an opportunity to appeal to more young demographics who might want to follow White to her next project.

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