Comments on: Late to the Party: Twin Peaks (1990-91) http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: parabasis http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-43327 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:29:53 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-43327 Sean,

I find your comment a bit odd, if only because I’m having trouble thinking of ANY show that was like Twin Peaks in any era of television. You write that shows you encountered then were incomplete, evocative and stylish as compared to today’s “quality television.” What shows do you mean (in both categories)? I think in order to do a fair comparison, you have to compare the best of each… and I think even taking the best of 90s televised drama, most of it pales in comparison to “The Wire” or the first two seasons of “The Sopranos” or “Friday Night Lights” or– if we bring other nations’ television into it– “Slings and Arrows”, “Life on Mars,” the final installments of “Prime Suspect,” and “State of Play.” And that’s just off the top of my head (hell, I just realized I left out “Mad Men”). In fact, the only two dramas from that decade that can really be said to belong on this list would be “Twin Peaks” and “Homicide: Life On The Street.” “Twin Peaks” is a total outlier, the only other show I can think of that was like it in any way is “Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman,” in that both of them turned what normally are seen as deficits in a show (uneven acting, to put it politely, oddball pacing, constant digressions etc.) and turn them into assets.

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By: Sean Duncan http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-43305 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:24:54 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-43305 One thing I find fairly amusing is how several younger friends have reported that they think the series *is* the dream sequences… because those are the only clips that they’ve been shown in TV studies classes. Watch the series, and you see it’s more a wry and clever play on soap operas than it is a good mystery, or even terribly good horror. But that’s actually a compliment; the way that Lynch’s obsessions with 1950s/1960s culture and Mark Frost’s obsessions with arcane mythologies intermingle is truly wonderful, and having just rewatched the series this summer, it still holds up as one of the best TV experiences I’ve ever had, from shot of Josie to “How’s Annie?” TV now seems to pale in comparison (I’m looking at you, so-called “quality television”) because of how incomplete and evocative and just plain stylish some of the shows I encountered in my formative years were, like Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks seems effortless, while most current shows seem like they’re just “trying too hard” to hard to give us these over-determined, consequential narratives rather than provide a fascinating, unique, and bizarre world. I much prefer the latter, and lament that I can’t imagine any network taking a flyer on a show like TP in this day and age — I’m of the mindset that Mulholland Drive would have made an even more fascinating show (and more interesting than the film the pilot turned into), would any network have taken a chance on it.

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By: amanda http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-43020 Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:50:37 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-43020 Myles,
I am so excited for you! TWIN PEAKS may not be the best television series of all time (I give that title to THE SOPRANOS) but it holds a very special place in my heart. Watching it as a preteen ( I was 13), I was dumbfounded that such a program was on TV. It was so bizarre, so creepy and so unlike anything else I had seen up to that point. It marks the first time that my friends and I had real discussions about what a television show “meant.” We all had our theories and interpretations.

When THE SECRET DIARY OF LAURA PALMER was released, we all ran out to by it, and pored over it like detectives with a really juicy clue. The book was very racy (if my Mom has known what was in it I don’t think she would have bought it for me), like ARE YOU THERE GOD IT’S ME MARGARET for psychopaths.

Reading the diary along with the series was such an intense fan experience–my first real fan experience. I think this was enhanced by the fact that this was before the DVR and DVD box sets. When TWIN PEAKS was on, I was there–it could not be missed, Although I have liked other TV shows more than TWIN PEAKS, nothing else has come close to recreating the level of fan engagement. I guess it’s like your first love?

Hope to hear more of your thoughts about this show on your blog!

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By: parabasis http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-43016 Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:58:37 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-43016 PS: I should say that I went into it last year as a Johnny-Come-Lately and I even knew who killed Laura Palmer and I still loved it.

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By: parabasis http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-43015 Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:57:57 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-43015 Myles,

The show is not really inconsistent, instead what happens is the show goes flying off a quality cliff into a ditch in the second season and doesn’t emerge from it until the very final episode. It is part of what is frustrating about the show. While the show has to be watched in its entirety, there’s a large chunk towards the end that’s pretty awful.

Most people attribute this to the decision (Forced on Lynch by the network) to solve the Laura Palmer mystery. And you can see that his name appears in the credits as a writer or director far, far less after this happens. He and Mark Frost kind of abandon the show, it seems. And one soon-to-be Hollywood starlet shows up and is terrible. How she ended up becoming a superstar and Sherylynn Fenn didn’t is beyond me.

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By: Eldritch http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-42699 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:10:27 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-42699 “Twin Peaks” was very well done. I was mesmerized by it, as was the rest of America, when it first ran. However, it’s a triumph of style over substance. There is no solution. There really is no mystery. In season 2, an answer to what happened to Laura Palmer is given, but it’s very unsatisfying. It had nothing to do with anything characters or the story had developed. Lynch was just playing with the audience. He’s a master at creating haunting images, but those images have no meaning behind them.

I never followed “Lost,” but I understand that many people were disappointed that its finale failed to address its many mysteries. However, the “Lost” finale gave a satisfying resolution to its characters. No such luck with “Twin Peaks.” Lynch just tried to start a new mystery, so it remained an endless series of taunting images. I felt ripped off when I saw that, and so did most of its audience. People stopped watching, and the show was canceled.

I understand Lynch never wanted to reveal the killer, but was required to by CBS. Apparently , he wanted the series to run for years without revealing what was behind its mysteries; perhaps he never wanted to. I take from that, that he just wanted to produce endless images with no meaning. Frankly, I’m glad it ended sooner rather than later. I don’t like being played with.

Perhaps this is a bit like the “Battlestar Galactica” controversy over its finale. I’m a BG finale hater. That series, too, was well done. It was great drama, but its drama was, in my opinion, made empty by the finale which revealed many of the situations and characterizations were just writing devices, not actual drama. (I mean, What was Starbuck, really?)

So if you’re satisfied with the images per se, then you’ll find “Twin Peaks” enjoyable. Otherwise, not.

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By: Tausif Khan http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-42675 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:42:08 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-42675 Myles are going to add a button to your wordpress site linking to all of your Antenna posts (besides the general link to Antenna)?

Are you going to be catching up on Buffy and Twin Peaks simultaneously?

I also have not seen Twin Peaks. I have the entire series but have yet to watch it. My only experience with Lynch is his film Mulholand Dr. which was phenomenal.

On his commentary for The Buffy the Vampire episode “Restless” Whedon mentions that people felt Willow’s dream sequence (specifically between the stage curtains) was influenced by Lynch’s work. Whedon said that the scene had it is own message but did not address specifically whether Lynch had influenced the work.

I wonder how much Lynch influenced Whedon (if at all). They come from similar perspectives but go in different directions. Whedon takes his existentialism from Sartre while Lynch is more transcendental.

I can wait to explore Twin Peaks.

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By: Josh S. http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/11/17/late-to-the-party-twin-peaks-1990-91/comment-page-1/#comment-42670 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:11:42 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7397#comment-42670 Definitely one of the best shows ever. Full of homages to the film and tv canon, experiments with mixing diegetic and non-diegetic sound, references to the occult, and some truly messed-up psychological elements that demand the sophistication of Lacanian analysis to unpack. I’m not sure we’ll ever see a TV show as sublime as Twin Peaks again, but here’s hoping… Right after Twin Peaks concluded Lynch did a little-remembered follow-up called ‘On the Air’ about early live television, also worth watching.

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