Comments on: Deracinated TV: Watching Misfits in America http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Rick Gershman http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-61634 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:13:55 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-61634 …I am also quite familiar with leaving typos in my posts. “Europe OR France,” that is.

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By: Rick Gershman http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-61633 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:12:44 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-61633 Very interesting post, Anne. I have heard many great things but have not checked it out yet. That said, considering you’re obviously well-read and reasonably cultured, I find it surprising you didn’t know “the ‘boot’ of a car was the trunk, (or) to what part of anatomy the word ‘fanny’ referred.” I’ve never been to Europe of France, but both terms–especially the latter–are instantly familiar to me and most people I know.

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By: Will http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60733 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:33:04 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60733 Thanks for your response Anne, and for taking my points in such good spirit.

I think, also, British viewers (or English, anyway) will have a greater exposure to American television than Americans do to British.

So, I think an English teenager could easily work out what’s going on in the social networks surrounding Claire Bennet of Heroes, because s/he’s seen a mediated American high school milieu, with its cheerleaders and cliques, in so many other shows and movies — whereas an American teenager watching Hollyoaks (a soap set in Chester) wouldn’t necessarily have such a frame of reference.

(The same would be true, I’d guess, of an London viewer tuning in cold to CSI: New York, compared to a NYC viewer tuning in to The Bill).

I’d suggest that most English viewers have seen enough American texts to recognise the social codes and to have a mediated cultural memory that is enough to make sense of a whole range of US TV and cinema — as long as it stays roughly within those codes.

So, an English viewer would, I would say, know immediately enough about TV and movie high schools to get to grips with Glee — but The Wire was something fairly unfamiliar except to people who’ve read a lot of Richard Price and George Pelecanos.

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By: Anne Helen Petersen http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60703 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:15:13 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60703 These are all great points, Will — and I definitely don’t mean to suggest that all members of the commonwealth are part of a, er, common discourse community, but Canada and Australia do have far greater exposure to British television than most Americans, so even if they don’t necessarily live in Britain, they have a cultural memory of what things mean/stand for, if that makes sense. (Kind of like how I don’t that much about, say, the antebellum south, but I’ve seen enough texts to recognize the codes immediately).

As for your question concerning the necessity of Wikipedia and the difference between Misfits and, say, The Wire, scroll down to Jason’s post directly below.

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By: Will http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60692 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:36:22 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60692 PS. fanny:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanny

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By: Will http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60691 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:34:02 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60691 Well, I think some of your queries about the show are of a different order to others.

Whether E4 is like HBO could be easily cleared up online without any risk of spoilers.

Who wrote the show, what authorial context and background they might bring, and whether the stars have any significant history in other shows, could also be googled for or checked up on imdb very safely.

Other aspects I think are more complex than your post seems to imply: you seem to be distinguishing between a relatively clueless American viewer, to whom the show is a bit of a puzzle, and “Brits and members of the “commonwealth”” who would get all these references right away.

I’d suggest that even British people within Scotland and Wales, let alone in further-flung cultures, might not immediately understand some references. “Boot” for “trunk” is surely pretty universal, but different regions have different terms meaning the same thing as “chav”, and I don’t know whether many people outside Greater London would recognise the location (Thamesmead) and its connotations.

So, it isn’t as simple as a “Brit”/Other divide – “British” is no more meaningful than “American” in that, obviously, it brackets together multiple, diverse cultures of region, class, ethnicity, even nation.

As for what other shows require Wikipedia – I’d suggest Mad Men certainly benefits from it, and that The Wire probably needs Wikipedia as much as Misfits? That is, I feel you can probably understand each of them just fine through context – picking up the lingo and the references as you go – but The Wire certainly isn’t instantly-comprehensible to a London viewer.

But I suspect many Americans would also find aspects of The Wire unfamiliar to them, and would also have to pick it up as they went along. Just as living in America doesn’t mean you understand the slang of Baltimore cops and dealers, being British doesn’t mean you’re familiar with the argot of Thamesmead teenagers.

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60642 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:15:10 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60642 Great conversation. I think the “just go to Wikipedia” comment points to a lot of interesting nuances in our new media environment. The danger of going to the web for context is spoilers, as certainly the Wikipedia article reveals more than most first-time viewers want to know. We have almost limitless information available to us, but if we want some limits on that info, we still need a human guide to sort it out.

As for Annie’s point about what other shows require us to go to Wikipedia: David Simon has actually said that his shows are built for the internet age, not because they foster online fan communities (as that’s far less prevalent than on other contemporary cult shows) but because they empower viewers to learn more about something that is obliquely presented on screen. The example he cites is the Mardi Gras Indians in Treme – it’s a major plotline for a main character, and we see a lot of Indian prep & performance. But the show never explains the tradition or context – if you want to learn more, you need to do a little research.

I’d say such need for context is fairly typical of cinema. If you stumbled upon a Godard or Antonioni film in the video store, you’d probably not understand its importance & innovations without a contextual history and frame of reference. Film studies has been helping contextualize such works for decades – and now TV scholars need to get into the game.

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By: Anne Helen Petersen http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60449 Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:01:25 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60449 At UT, students who use illegal downloading sites are traced and can (and have!) be levied with enormous fines. Two years ago, a few students had to pay over $20,000 a piece (I don’t know if the number was later reduced; it may have). And UT is no anomaly — University of Oregon (where I received my MA) is one of the few state schools that has maintained that they will not instruct their IT dept. to collaborate with law enforcement. My students here at UT thus watched a lot of streaming TV, illegal and legal.

When I taught at Whitman (a private liberal arts college) there are no policies against downloading, and it and illegal streaming is widespread. It absolutely changed the breadth of programming with which students had experience coming into a television studies class.

They’re also watching on their computers, as very, very few have televisions (mostly just those who live off-campus during their senior year, and even then, they most likely do not have cable).

I suppose what we’re both trying to get it is the fact that it’d be really great to be able to expect our students to be well-versed television consumers, but the realities of schedules and varying levels of technological skill make it so that, just like in a film class, there will be a small handful of students who have committed themselves to the task, yet the vast majority will have but a smattering of knowledge of the quotidian television options for the ‘average’ citizen.

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By: Faye Woods http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60430 Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:42:13 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60430 Once I have convinced my students that they are not going to be strung up for admitting to downloading, I find that they have much more knowledge of US television and its industry than in years past, which makes for more interesting discussions (though can create divisions in class).

Though the counter to this is that they watch very little UK TV, when their tendency towards E4 and downloading is combined, which is another problem in itself (though thank god for iplayer and 4OD. I also find that downloading really hits its steam when students get to halls and realise they don’t have any hope of decent television reception/have upside down schedules so turn to online to keep track of shows.

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By: Christine Becker http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/12/deracinated-tv-watching-misfitsin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-60335 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:31:50 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=7873#comment-60335 I haven’t watched Misfits yet (but have gotten in touch with Faye, who has already given me some great resource suggestions). I’ll DM you an answer about viewing it, just in case the provost is reading. 🙂

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