Comments on: The State of Reality TV: Producing Reality on Joan & Melissa http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/03/01/the-state-of-reality-tv-producing-reality-on-joan-melissa/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Erin Copple Smith http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/03/01/the-state-of-reality-tv-producing-reality-on-joan-melissa/comment-page-1/#comment-74878 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 15:19:43 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=8564#comment-74878 I agree with you, Ethan. I think this evolution of celebreality–when we expect artifice and set-up and don’t expect a cinema verite glimpse at celebrity lives–is at its highest form in Joan & Melissa. In part, I think this is because of the position of J&M as producers–the artifice is made apparent–and in part, I think it’s due to Joan’s long career built on joke writing that makes the set-up feel, in a way, natural. (And I love her claim to count all purchases in terms of the number of jokes she’ll have to write to cover them.)

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By: Ethan Thompson http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/03/01/the-state-of-reality-tv-producing-reality-on-joan-melissa/comment-page-1/#comment-74769 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 02:38:15 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=8564#comment-74769 Joan & Melissa is probably my favorite reality show at the moment–only because Joan Rivers is still brilliant. After watching the recent documentary about her, which pretty much reveals she is the hardest working woman in show business, I was glad to find this show. I so appreciate her pithy comments, even if the set-ups aren’t “real” as you describe, she comes across as so much funnier than all her contemporary Real Housewives. This is the TV world we now live in. Time to let go of nostalgia of some authentic “real”…

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By: Erin Copple Smith http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/03/01/the-state-of-reality-tv-producing-reality-on-joan-melissa/comment-page-1/#comment-74325 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:20:45 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=8564#comment-74325 That’s a really interesting point, Cynthia, and one I hadn’t yet considered. I think you’re likely right–the stakes are relatively low for folks who get to bid each other adieu at the end of the season and only reconnect on reunion shows. Family drama does have, as you note, a deep well from which to draw, as well as the potential for future ramifications.

Your point about “conflict-authenticity” points is also apt, particularly since, while we can convince ourselves that, even if living in a house with strangers, we would not resort to hair-pulling and catfighting, we have likely had (or can at least envision having) the sorts of familial conflicts you find on the shows you list. Part of the reason the Joan & Melissa fight was so powerful, to me at least, is that these are precisely the sort of tensions I think all mothers & daughters have, at some point or another.

Perhaps Joan & Melissa are both savvy and spiraling? They figured the conflict would be sitcommy, but it ended up being more “real” than that?

Thanks for the food for thought!

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By: Cynthia Meyers http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/03/01/the-state-of-reality-tv-producing-reality-on-joan-melissa/comment-page-1/#comment-74195 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 02:33:33 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=8564#comment-74195 Isn’t conflict the main signifier of authenticity in reality drama shows? Without some tearful conflict, we don’t have a show. Joan and Melissa’s premise is generational conflict but wasn’t it sort of pitched sit-com style? I was expecting misunderstanding, funny line, tears and hugs. This clip, however, is not sit-com at all! I’m wondering if it illustrates an evolving strategy.

What I’m curious about, and please chime in, is how the conflicts in reality dramas are more and more between actual family members rather than strangers-sharing-a-house. In Bad Girls Club, ANTM, Real World, etc., housemates lose it at each other all the time, but there’s little at stake because the relationships exist only within the parameters of the show. Audiences could begin to wonder if the conflict/drama isn’t all drummed up by producers (and be inauthentic, and thus less interesting).

So are producers, aware of audience cynicism, trying to ramp up the drama by using more characters who are *actual family members,* thus raising the stakes, and thus gaining conflict-authenticity points with viewers? (I’m thinking Real Housewives, Biggest Loser, Tori and Dean, etc.) The characters have a past of resentments and grievances (a deep well to draw from) and are supposed to have a future too. And then we get these extra-textual bits about whose not talking to whom after the taping or airing–allowing us to invest in the conflict’s authenticity even more. What happens to real families post-taping?

So, if Joan and Melissa are producers, are they savvy ones? Or are they spiraling into a hall of mirrors without end?

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