Comments on: Captain America and the Representation of Entertainment http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Scott Ellington http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-103177 Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:54:24 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-103177 I’ve always found it profoundly unfortunate that Steve Rogers has never been Jewish.

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By: Fantastic Fangirls: Comics and Culture » Blog Archive » Fantastic Fangirls Podcast # 5: Captain America http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-100713 Sun, 31 Jul 2011 23:56:13 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-100713 […] If you want to read more of Jennifer’s thoughts about the portrayal of USO in the movie, you can find her essay here: Captain America and the Representation of Entertainment […]

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By: Brad Schauer http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-100290 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 01:26:29 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-100290 While as an action film CAPTAIN AMERICA obviously privileges physical strength, it also goes out of its way to stress the importance of ingenuity (the flagpole scene) and selfless sacrifice (the grenade scene). As a sidenote, I’m a little uneasy with the equation of “athletic feats” and physicality with masculinity for a number of reasons, most pertinently because it seems to negate any potential for a feminist superhero text. But since I know you’re a superhero fan, I’m probably misunderstanding your point here.

Anyway, for me the most intriguing larger question raised by this analysis is: to what extent should we interpret the treatment of historical events in a superhero text as generalizable commentary on those events? By nature, the superhero genre presents a fantastical, hyperbolic alternative to the real world that allows its audience to indulge certain power fantasies. So what should we take from incredibly contrived scenarios like the USO sequence in CAPTAIN AMERICA? We have a super-soldier who, for reasons poorly motivated by the plot, has become a song-and-dance man in the middle of the war. This is, by any standard, a waste of his ability. Increased sales of war bonds IS a drop in the bucket within the context of the film, in which Cap is depicted as someone who could practically win the war singlehandedly. The situation is so overdetermined, it’s impossible to find a legitimate real-world correlative.

I agree that the USO sequence is played for laughs, but it’s not as clear to me that the film is dismissing the value of the real USO, or even the USO in the film. I thought the song-and-dance routine was a (pretty good) pastiche rather than a parody. Also, I didn’t detect any cynicism in that shot near the end of the film where kids play “Captain America” in the street with a garbage can shield. Rather, it struck me as a poignant tribute to Cap’s legacy — so all that Cap propaganda was, in the end, good for something after all. Just because Cap was wasting his time with the USO doesn’t necessarily mean the USO was a waste, or, going much further, that media has no effect on culture.

Another brief example to support my point: everyone was eager to read THE DARK KNIGHT as a defense of the Bush administration’s surveillance tactics. This of course, presumes a correlation between George W. Bush and Batman that most people would probably reject. In the world of THE DARK KNIGHT, Batman is a (relatively) unimpeachable force for good, therefore his use of surveillance, no matter how the film tries to complicate it, is ultimately acceptable. Most people wouldn’t say the same about the U.S. Government. Of course, I’m not saying we should never look at superhero stories as allegories or trenchant political critique, but applying the Manichean logic and “stacked deck” moral scenarios of traditional superhero texts to the real world can obscure their primary value, as wish-fulfillment.

Thanks for the thought-provoking post!

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By: Eric Dienstfrey http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-100251 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:50:32 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-100251 Jennifer, I like your analysis quite a bit! Though to quarrel with one small point, I don’t think the film makes the argument about media and culture that you claim it does. The depiction of the USO as ineffectual is historically licensed, sure. But it feels tenuous to suggest this single plot event is best read as a statement that entertainment and media in general have no serious effect on culture. As Evan rightly points out with respect to the war bonds sequence, if the film does in fact make an argument (or worldview) about the relationship between entertainment and culture, it would need to be much more complicated.

And as for sexism, I’m having a tough time not recognizing the film’s poster as Captain America with a young girl in a short red and white striped skirt…

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By: Jennifer Smith http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-100087 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:04:11 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-100087 Exactly, Jonathan. From the film — and from Evan’s comment — it seems like the film is hiding behind the wall of “historical accuracy” for the sexism, while blatantly flouting it in the soldiers’ reactions to USO performances (not to mention the actual fantasy elements, obviously). They try to have their cake and eat it too, but in my opinion the filmmakers made poor calls in both directions.

(The presence of period-appropriate sexism is fine, for me — the acknowledgment that Peggy would have worked very hard and faced a lot of closed doors to get to where she was felt totally appropriate — but filmmakers still ultimately choose what to show and what not to show. They clearly chose not to have any other female characters of substance (no nurses, WACs, etc.), and they chose to place gendered insults in the soldiers’ mouths instead of any other kind of mockery.)

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By: Jennifer Smith http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-100084 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:58:39 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-100084 I would have loved to see the sequence that way, but so much of it was framed as ridicule that I had a hard time doing so. The way the soldiers taunt him, the way Tommy Lee Jones’ character taunts him — every character we know and are meant to approve of, including Peggy and Steve himself, agrees that the performances are dumb and mockable and representative of Steve being a “trained Monkey.” Meanwhile the guy who got Steve to do the performances was portrayed as greedy and sleazy. Reading the lines from behind the shield and the mockery of the costume (which came through in how ill-fitting it was, but is reinforced by the extratextual information of the director’s quotes in interviews) all combined to create a sense that we were supposed to laugh at the entire USO sequence and find it ridiculous — and the people in both theaters I saw the movie at certainly seemed to agree.

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By: Jonathan Gray http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-100006 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 02:03:09 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-100006 This raises a longtime concern of mine, though: when a movie or TV show is set within a historical record that’s already been played with for the purposes of fantasy, a precedent has already been set that history can be changed quite radically, and thus are all bets off (or only some, and how do we decide what’s on and what’s off) with regards anything else in that historical record? By asking that, I don’t mean to suggest that, yes, all bets are off; but it’s harder to say, “that’s just the way things were” when the film is quite definitively not the way things were on other levels.

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By: Kristen http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-99999 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:27:42 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-99999 I too must disagree. I found this film was an extremely potent reminder to me of the role that Captain America played in the war effort *because it showed him campaigning for war bonds. I didn’t take away from it that entertainment to promote war bonds was “silly” at all! I think that the longing to be on the front lines of battle made sense for the character. The point was that even with all his powers – all the great physical things he could do – he was willing to do his part raising the money the war effort required. In the end he couldn’t leave his friend behind enemy lines while had the chance to do something about it, but that didn’t take away from the value of entertainment which the film took pains to demonstrate. It reminded me that back in the day this was part of the artists’ mission and it drove home to me that a comic book character can save real lives in a way I hadn’t thought of before.

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By: Jessica http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-99923 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 04:27:45 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-99923 Evan,

I hardly think it’s fair to give a film released in 2011 a pass on sexism because it’s set in the 1940s. Depicting time-period-accurate sexism is one thing; having barely any women with speaking roles, one of whom has no purpose but as troublesome seducer, is something else entirely.

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By: Evan Davis http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/07/23/captain-america-and-the-representation-of-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-99888 Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:48:05 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=10078#comment-99888 Jennifer,

I must disagree. To say that the film’s central conceit is to devalue the transformative power of entertainment in popular culture in favor of masculinist action and “heroism” is perhaps a facet of interpreting the sequence, but I don’t think it gives the whole picture.

The film is generally interested in creating a constructed past, a history that reflexively depicts the way the media and popular culture have processed American involvement in World War II. The polished CGI imagery which comprises the vast majority of the mise en scene seems indicative of this. It doesn’t seem like historical accuracy would be at the forefront of a superhero movie where the villain is a megalomaniacal Nazi with a bright red skull.

The montage of Captain America selling war bonds seems to be a commentary on how entertainment propaganda was very much needed in 1942 and 1943, and how the hero of the film is a product of political propaganda as well as a “hero” of the square-jawed, Hitler-socking variety. Its negative coloring only serves to let Captain America fully embody his comic book origins, but I don’t believe that means it fully rejects the position of theater the character also serves.

As far as sexism is concerned, the film once again is dealing with an historical moment where such gendered representations would be commonplace. The film’s interest in reflexively imagining a constructed vision of America in the early 1940s would have to depict that sexism in some way. And it’s no small thing that Carter is in fact an intelligence agent who enjoys knocking out misogynistic Army recruits with a stiff left jab.

These are some hastily scrawled notes based on a single viewing, and I welcome any and all counterarguments!

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