Comments on: The Internet, Baseball Analysis, and the Persistence of Dogma http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2012/08/03/the-internet-baseball-analysis-and-the-persistence-of-dogma/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Bill Kirkpatrick http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2012/08/03/the-internet-baseball-analysis-and-the-persistence-of-dogma/comment-page-1/#comment-242553 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:06:24 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=14645#comment-242553 Great post. One thing the post hints at but would be interesting to analyze in more depth is the effect that this has had on television broadcasts of baseball. A lot of the old-school broadcasters are there because of their deep and intuitive understanding of the game; even those whom fans love to pick on (Joe Morgan, Tim McCarver) have valuable baseball wisdom of the kind that Goldstein refers to and wants to maintain respect for.

Yet one increasingly hears the tensions between old and new analysis tentatively creeping into the broadcasts thanks to more SABRmetrically inclined co-hosts, e.g. not just the once-exotic OBP but also occasionally FIP, WAR, etc. The shift is happening slowly as producers try to handle the on-air analysts, the analysts try to imagine their audiences, and audiences increasingly experience the game through multiple channels. In other words, what we’re seeing is a slow but perceptible real-time audience-driven shift in sports broadcast practice, as the paradigm clash that is so loud on the internet gets worked out more quietly on television.

Thanks for your post!

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By: Sean Duncan http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2012/08/03/the-internet-baseball-analysis-and-the-persistence-of-dogma/comment-page-1/#comment-242483 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:22:29 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=14645#comment-242483 Hey, this is great, Matt — Antenna could use more posts about this kind of online interaction and fandom practice.

Beyond the dogma argument, I have a slightly different take on how the context of online interactions might shape the particular forms of argument among baseball fans. The online participatory nature of SABRmetrics is a really interesting case, one in which the kinds of arguments that have gained traction happen to be some of the easiest to communicate in the medium. It’s hard for someone to accurately describe a “5-tool player” verbally without relying upon some kind of reliance upon authority, and so less-subjective, abstracted statistics become even more salient in such a context. It’s much easier to hop on a forum or Twitter and type, say, a .280/.380/.930 slash to convey a player’s value than it is to accurately convey the “intangibles” that folks like Goldstein are saying should get back into the conversation. Math works as a great, clear communicative tool in such online contexts, but isn’t going to capture everything.

Just a thought. Great piece!

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