Comments on: Roundtable: The “Implosion” of the Blockbuster? http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/06/18/roundtable-the-implosion-of-the-blockbuster/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: R. Colin Tait http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/06/18/roundtable-the-implosion-of-the-blockbuster/comment-page-1/#comment-408511 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:58:27 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20531#comment-408511 I also wonder where foreign/international releases factor into this. There’s an interesting piece in the New Yorker today entitled “The Ingredients For a Healthy Cinema” http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/movies/2013/06/the-ingredients-for-a-healthy-cinema.html which begins with this premise by comparing the American Independent (middle-tier) to French model. Films for ‘mature audiences’ such as Best Exotic Marigold Hotel might also be a place to start, particularly as the success story seems to be that there is still lots of money to be made by catering to older and (sometimes female) audiences.

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By: Geoff King http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/06/18/roundtable-the-implosion-of-the-blockbuster/comment-page-1/#comment-408489 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:45:46 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20531#comment-408489 Colin, yes, that may be the case about the middle tier. But it would be good to see some actual evidence. What we need is someone to do a study that involves actually going through a couple of decades of studio output and assessing whether or not certain kinds of films have become more or less frequent, so we can get some proper answers to such questions rather than relying on our own impressionistic speculation (unless anyone has already done this and I’ve not seen it). I’ve been doing a little bit of that for a period of 5 or 6 years in relation to ‘quality’ films, but only really a quite small, local snapshot. Doing that kind of study on a larger scale isn’t a lot of fun, although it might give us some useful answers.

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By: R. Colin Tait http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/06/18/roundtable-the-implosion-of-the-blockbuster/comment-page-1/#comment-408463 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:59:33 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20531#comment-408463 Brad, I really appreciate your thoughts about the generational nature of this debate, something that I tried to evoke in my own piece. There is also a really great article in the AV Club recently that talks about how Spielberg’s and Lucas’s predictions are generally way off-base (which you can read here – http://www.avclub.com/articles/steven-spielberg-and-george-lucas-boldly-predict-t,98987/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default).
As I stated (and as I think Alisa eloquently describes) the new economic situation (which many creative types have been experiencing during the recession) seems to have finally reached the upper-end, not to mention forcing them to adapt as figures like Soderbergh have. Certainly, Lucas seems genuinely exhausted by the prospect of moving forward with the industry, and perhaps the failure of Red Tails (or at least the *narrative* that he built for himself about it) has finally made him decide to leave for good.

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By: R. Colin Tait http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/06/18/roundtable-the-implosion-of-the-blockbuster/comment-page-1/#comment-408461 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:52:53 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20531#comment-408461 Geoff – I really like your observations about the cyclical nature of this argument, both in your comments here and on the original post on your website. I do think, however, there is something happening to the middle ground that you are talking about – maybe a hollowing out of the middle-tier which certainly Lincoln doesn’t represent, but where the $30 million dollar drama used to reside.
I do think you’re wise to adopt a wait and see attitude to what will occur, and perhaps following Tom Schatz’s suggestion, VOD and day-and-date releases (or even films downloadable before they are in the theatres via iTunes) seems to be the place for where these works are going.

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By: Brad Schauer http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/06/18/roundtable-the-implosion-of-the-blockbuster/comment-page-1/#comment-408451 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:31:59 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20531#comment-408451 Great posts and a terrific idea for a roundtable! I agree that most of Spielberg & Lucas’s ideas seem either old hat (TV as a refuge for “quality” adult-oriented material, theatrical releases emphasizing spectacle) or wrong-headed (basically everything else, for all the reasons mentioned). It’s been amusing to see nearly every single online film scholar and industry analyst systematically refute their claims.

As far as the “big meltdown” Spielberg describes, I think we’re seeing boomer wistfulness for the original big meltdown of the late ’60s that spawned the Hollywood Renaissance. As much fun as it might be to see a repeat of those utterly atypical industrial conditions, I can’t imagine a scenario where this could happen a second time (hence the wistfulness!) As Brenda and Chuck suggest, with the corporate ownership of studios, the increased value of international markets, the importance of franchise synergy, etc. it’s going to take a lot more than “three or four” mega-flops to overturn such a deeply entrenched production model. Remember, Disney’s stock dropped .46% for one day after the JOHN CARTER write-off.

At least Lucas is consistent — he has always positioned himself as iconoclastic and anti-establishment, even as a blockbuster mogul. He frequently spoke of the “great risk” of self-financing the STAR WARS prequels, for instance. His “struggle” to release RED TAILS fits this personal narrative, which includes Warners recutting THX-1138 and Fox very reluctantly supporting STAR WARS in the mid-seventies. Although when RED TAILS was first released, Lucas framed it more in terms of institutional racism (or at least, Hollywood’s devaluing of black audiences), which was more sanctimonious but certainly more accurate than the idea that the Hollywood establishment is out to get George.

Finally, the clueless comments on video games remind me of Roger Ebert’s (RIP) and smack of fogeyism. I bet Lucas hasn’t played a game since the REBEL ASSAULT cd-rom. Both Spielberg and Lucas slap their names on enough games, they should know better. But to fully understand the narrative complexity and emotional potency of a contemporary game, they’d need to make the typical gamer commitment of 10-30 hours, and I don’t see that happening.

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By: Geoff King http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/06/18/roundtable-the-implosion-of-the-blockbuster/comment-page-1/#comment-408444 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:43:21 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20531#comment-408444 How nice to read a blast of cool scepticism about these comments after some of the breathless media coverage! The other end of these claims that I also address briefly in my post at gkindiefilm.com, to which there are a couple of links above, is what’s implied about films at the other end of the scale from the blockbuster – the studio ‘quality’ or ‘prestige’ film, the object of my current research.

Spielberg implies that this is in deep trouble, as might seem to be the case if even he struggled to get a Lincoln into theatres. But this is another area where general media discourse tends to be at the level of over-stated hype. One minute, we’re told, the ‘quality’ film is dead. Soon after, a few appears and there are general expressions of astonished disbelief at the existence of such things within the blockbuster-dominated studio economy. This happens every couple of years or so. Here, again, the reality tends to be rather less dramatic. A certain limited space seems to be available to such films (under certain conditions, often requiring the presence of someone with large economy clout, either filmmaker or star), for reasons that I’m seeking to explore further, a space that seems to persist despite what sometimes might appear to be its endangered status.

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