Comments on: Why Netflix is Not Emmy’s Online TV Vanguard http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/07/18/why-netflix-is-not-emmys-online-tv-vanguard/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: SparklyPrettyBriiiight | Who’s got the nod? Dissecting the nominations for the 65th Primetime Emmy Awards http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/07/18/why-netflix-is-not-emmys-online-tv-vanguard/comment-page-1/#comment-410486 Sun, 21 Jul 2013 21:55:48 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20872#comment-410486 […] Hemlock Grove (2 nominations) is a signal that online TV’s moment has finally arrived – Myles McNutt argues that “Netflix is not Emmy’s Online TV Vanguard” – it is a significant development in an industry that largely to this point has treated […]

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By: AJ Christian http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/07/18/why-netflix-is-not-emmys-online-tv-vanguard/comment-page-1/#comment-410381 Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:33:05 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20872#comment-410381 Spot on, Myles. Netflix’s entire business strategy: use subscription revenue to license TV and movies then develop high-budget original programming after reaching critical mass, is taken directly from HBO. And, compared to Boardwalk Empire or Game of Thrones, I’m not — yet — convinced House of Cards even stands up in terms of conceptual ingenuity. Following Netflix’s success, Machinima is mulling the same model (http://www.tubefilter.com/2013/07/18/machinima-paid-subscription-service)

In terms of business ingenuity, I’ve been surprised Netflix isn’t courting indie TV producers. For a much lower price, they could reach passionate niche audiences *and* tell stories in a way that’s truly different from legacy television. There are tens of thousands of people who’d appreciate Netflix supporting smaller players. But that’s not HBO and won’t get nominations in top Emmy categories. Netflix knows it’s better to be a cable channel than a web network these days.

This continuity will cable you’ve identified explains how they were able to secure so many nominations so quickly. I’ve spoken with programmers of awards and festivals, and they tell me their older memberships/leaders need programming that looks like and is distributed similarly to (in terms of producing robust DVDs) television. Ultimately if networks with money like Netflix don’t push voters to expand their conceptions of television, we will just get cable on the internet.

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By: Cynthia Meyers http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/07/18/why-netflix-is-not-emmys-online-tv-vanguard/comment-page-1/#comment-410380 Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:07:17 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20872#comment-410380 Great points about the journalistic discourse about Netflix.

Because the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences is so conservative (as Faculty Seminar participants can confirm), doesn’t it seem logical it would grant its imprimatur to programs that fit existing conventions?

Given that conservatism–and the longtime oh so vehement resistance to the evil internet–it may be that what is notable here is only that Academy members are finally feeling comfortable enough with a new platform to include it in its self-celebration. “Netflix is one of us!” The comparison to cable is evidence of that: the Academy eventually got used to cable, after much grousing, now it’s graciously accepting the next new kid on the block. And the first step in acceptance is rewarding what is familiar, not what is actually innovative, different, or challenging.

Netflix’s canny wooing of the TV establishment is, to me, quite impressive as a business strategy. As a supporter of innovative program forms, yes, Netflix may indeed fall short, at least for now, but, hey, Emmy awards are great marketing tools, and more subs will lead to more shows, some of which may begin to fulfill the promises of new media. Someday!

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By: Greeney28 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2013/07/18/why-netflix-is-not-emmys-online-tv-vanguard/comment-page-1/#comment-410344 Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:01:30 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=20872#comment-410344 Thanks for this (very quick) contemplation of the Emmy nominations. Your point that Emmy voters are experiencing these programs in ways that eliminate the distinctions consumers experience is important, and I am so pleased you are taking this conversation in a different direction.

Riffing off of you, I also wonder if Netflix deserves some of this attention because of its complete separation from the “other guys” in its business model. While its programs may resemble (and indeed derive from) traditional television outlets, it owes nothing to advertisers. It doesn’t live and die by ratings, and in fact refrains from sharing that data publicly (an annoyance, but one that nevertheless distinguishes the service).

While you can compare Netflix to HBO, and there are many comparisons to behold, Netflix so far has remained independent of the cable industry, while HBO remains stubbornly committed to its marriage with MSOs.

I’m not a Netflix fan, but I have been a longterm observer, hoping it can persist if only as a symbol of the possibility to produce and distribute television differently. My bar is low, too–slight difference (not being beholden to advertisers, for example) gives me some hope for greater change to come.

In some ways, NOT being recognized by the Emmy’s may be a greater feather in the cap of a show/network trying to do something different. An Emmy nom connects Netflix to the old, boring, and mainstream. Meanwhile, FX, BBC America, and webseries like the delightful “Lizzie Bennet Diaries” can take comfort in avoiding the taint of the Emmy’s.

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