Comments on: Is Football Our Fault? http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/ Responses to Media and Culture Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Cynthia B. Meyers http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436452 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 02:51:04 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436452 Thanks for bringing up this issue of criminalizing viewership, as in the case of child porn. The formulation that viewing depictions of rape is the same or as culpable an action as committing rape seems like a total moral panic to me. We don’t criminalize the viewing of other illegal acts (say, depictions of murder) or argue that viewers of videos of murders are as culpable as actual murderers. The ethics of viewership is surely more complicated than that–or more simple: viewership of bad behaviors is not the same as committing those bad behaviors.
So, to play devil’s advocate here: there may instead be quite a bit of social utility in having all sorts of bad behaviors depicted (whether porn or sports or mayhem) in that viewers get to enjoy it without having to engage in it. Instead of bemoaning our culture saturated in violence and porn, perhaps we live in a golden age of relatively low crime *because* of all of those depictions–including the excessively violent game of football. In that case, I’d say, go ahead and watch and feel virtuous for behaving in a civilized manner by viewing instead of doing. 😉
(Of course, I’m sidestepping the problem of the harmed performers and their abused families–but that’s another story about why so many people are willing to trade health/safety for a chance at success and fame.)

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By: Michael Z. Newman http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436449 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:24:23 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436449 Maybe a matter of opinion, but I don’t think that our individual consumer choices are the best force for change. I think we are often encouraged to think of ourselves as consumer citizens empowered to choose ethically for the betterment of all, but this hides the way power works, which is through institutions more than individuals. So I think the responsibility falls elsewhere. And practically speaking a small number of viewers turning off the NFL (because I imagine the vast majority aren’t all that concerned) won’t make that much of a difference. An organized campaign to boycott the league and its sponsors, maybe. A lot of bad press might help. And maybe all of this fancy talk is just a way of justifying to myself that I still take pleasure in watching 🙂

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By: Michael Dwyer http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436448 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:43:25 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436448 I have been surprised at how little I miss watching football. I thought I really liked it, but even after a season away its appeal seemed totally foreign. I have personally wondered if the pleasure I took from watching football was more about having an easy subject of conversation with which to make small talk with other men (strangers, my dad, college roommates) than it was sincere appreciation of the game itself.

Like Derek, I do think football (or boxing, or MMA) is different than other kinds of television shows. It is materially damaging to human beings, and the NFL and NCAA have both conspired to obscure the extent of that damage, to its customers and to its workers. I do personally feel that watching critically is not sufficient in this case. Which is why I also feel a great deal of unease about the World Cup in Qatar–I don’t think I can watch that either, and the World Cup is probably my favorite thing on Earth.

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By: Derek Kompare http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436447 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:10:59 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436447 Thoughtful exploration of the football dilemma, Michael. Like Jason, I’ve backed off from watching it completely. It’s one of the clearest examples in our culture of how a particular kind of entertainment can get so big, and seemingly so central, that it’s problems are waved away, even while they’re right out in the open (see also: a two-party political system). The clincher for me is that all the excesses of football are at the expense of young men’s bodies: they are actually, seriously, hurting themselves for our entertainment. How many of us could take one hit, even in a practice setting, let alone the hundreds or thousands that pro players endure in their careers? That pain and damage has been in denial for decades.

I’m not sure I agree that we’re not responsible. Even beyond the personal ethics (“I choose not to partake of this.”), not participating means withholding attention and purchasing power. I would love to see the ratings and attendance drop by more people doing the same. If that happens, that hurts the owners and the league.

As Jason said, for many of us teaching at US schools (at any level, really), we have an extra role in speaking out about our own programs. While we may still not have a lot of power, we’ve got relatively more than only as an NFL viewer. My own university is at a crossroads in regards to this at this very moment.

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By: Marilyn http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436446 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:08:33 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436446 “Perhaps the best we can do in our own private lives as fans of the game is to watch in our conflicted state, acknowledging at once our pleasure and our displeasure, and hoping for better.”

Really? That’s the best we can do? Nothing?

No, you’re not to blame for football, per se, but as a consumer of it, you share some responsibility for its continuation. I gather you don’t consider private watching a form of public engagement, but everything starts with refusal to maintain the status quo. Rosa Parks REFUSED to sit in the back of the bus. That was a personal decision that became a platform for action.

Sorry, but you sound like someone who really isn’t interested in changing this situation and are advising others to follow your lead.

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By: Chuck Tryon http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436444 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:26:04 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436444 I’ve also been thinking about these issues quite a bit. It’s easier, perhaps, to drop pro football when your team isn’t performing well (in my case, the Falcons), but the violence and misogyny have made it all but impossible to watch without feeling guilty (or at least complicit in these behaviors).

I’ve been thinking about football in relationship to boxing, which continues to be incredibly profitable, even while it is also incredibly marginal. Some of this has to do with HBO and other channels scooping up exclusive rights to major fights, but it also has to do with a growing distaste for the sport for somewhat similar reasons (domestic abuse, concussions, etc). It’s hard o imagine a similar trajectory for football–more people participate, the civic associations are much stronger–unless sponsors really do decide to bail (which I suspect is actually unlikely).

The “perverse incentive” of playing sports–especially football–is certainly an issue, but from personal experience, that incentive CAN be directed towards other sports, such as lacrosse, that may be a little less violent. That said, the incidents of violence associated with other collegiate sports raise the question as to whether this is a football problem or a sports and masculinity problem.

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By: Michael Z. Newman http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436443 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:44:09 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436443 Thanks! Agree completely. I also think high school football is worth our attention while we’re at it. I have heard a defense along the lines of: it gives lots of boys an incentive to keep up with school so that they won’t be dropped from the team. I don’t know much about what goes on in high schools these days but that’s a perverse incentive.

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By: Jason Mittell http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2014/09/17/is-football-our-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-436442 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:26:44 +0000 http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/?p=24426#comment-436442 Smart piece, Mike. I’ve been an active NFL fan for years, and I decided to give it up this year. I’ll check to see how my Patriots are doing in the standings, but I can’t watch the games any longer without guilt and shame overshadowing my pleasure.

For us academics, the other aspect of this story that we must attend to is the role of college football in the US, and how it has corrupted American higher education. For those of us at D1 schools, how do we deal with the fact that a huge budget goes to support a program that enlists & exploits unpaid players, claims to give them access to an education (but rarely the time or incentive to actually get educated), while damaging their bodies and brains for the amusement of the masses & a slim chance at a future windfall in a corrupt industry? For those of us at non-D1 programs, football can still be a massive drain on resources and create warped incentives, while still damaging the players who aren’t even competing for a chance at a massive pro sports windfall.

I don’t know what faculty should do about such issues, but it’s worth talking about it publicly, and imagining how your institution might be different without football. (For starters, you’d probably get rid of its highest paid staff member!)

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