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	<title>Comments on: Getting Beyond the Thunderdome: David Brooks&#8217; Fantastical &#8220;Riders on the Storm&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Protect</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Protect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 00:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:Brooks writes: “The Internet will not produce a cocooned public square, but a free-wheeling multilayered Mad Max public square.”
I agree completely. The best proof: read two articles (from different journalists) covering the same event, compare them thoroughly and you may already end up with two completely different stories/interpretations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote:Brooks writes: “The Internet will not produce a cocooned public square, but a free-wheeling multilayered Mad Max public square.”<br />
I agree completely. The best proof: read two articles (from different journalists) covering the same event, compare them thoroughly and you may already end up with two completely different stories/interpretations!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and as an original Mad Max fan, nice picture, dude!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Robert, and I simply couldn&#039;t agree more with your last paragraph.  Though I will admit a level of frustration that sociologist Ron Lembo also expressed in his interesting book, Thinking Through Television.  That is, trying to make sense of how people not only consume but make sense of media in everyday life is terribly difficult.  I&#039;m not sure that we have had adequate discussions (much less arrived at the best means) for how we are going to do what you propose.  But I am with you 100%. We simply know too little about how people not just consumer but engage with and make sense of the cacophony of voices, issues, ideas, and emotions available to them as they move forward (as you note) in their own pursuance and enactment of their own values and interests. 

A couple of objections--correct me if I&#039;m wrong but Cass Sunstein had no &quot;findings&quot; per se.  &quot;The Daily Me&quot; was conjecture, but I failed to see audience studies.  I could be wrong (book not in front of me), but I seem to remember &quot;catchy idea and clever phrase&quot; but as with Putnam, now prove it with REAL audience analysis.

And to Jonathan&#039;s point--I really am ready to let&#039;s move off this meme/binary of new information versus confirmation/affirmation of what one already feels.  This baby has taken hold across the disciplines (esp. political science), but I say &quot;poppycock.&quot;  If this is the best we can do with our understandings of cognitive processes, then we should hang it up.  People are simply much more complex thinkers than this.  Or I should say, what I think Robert is pointing to here suggests that the process of pursuance, interpretation, rethinking, evaluation, affirmation, contestation is much more of a mental clusterfuck than we give people credit for.  And it probably differs by issue.  The people Robert is studying--less contestation. But the SAME people over, say, the issue of health care or taxation, perhaps quite a bit more.  Again, audience studies, audience studies, audiences studies (said by the guy who largely does textual and production analyses! :-)

Again, nice thoughtful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Robert, and I simply couldn&#8217;t agree more with your last paragraph.  Though I will admit a level of frustration that sociologist Ron Lembo also expressed in his interesting book, Thinking Through Television.  That is, trying to make sense of how people not only consume but make sense of media in everyday life is terribly difficult.  I&#8217;m not sure that we have had adequate discussions (much less arrived at the best means) for how we are going to do what you propose.  But I am with you 100%. We simply know too little about how people not just consumer but engage with and make sense of the cacophony of voices, issues, ideas, and emotions available to them as they move forward (as you note) in their own pursuance and enactment of their own values and interests. </p>
<p>A couple of objections&#8211;correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but Cass Sunstein had no &#8220;findings&#8221; per se.  &#8220;The Daily Me&#8221; was conjecture, but I failed to see audience studies.  I could be wrong (book not in front of me), but I seem to remember &#8220;catchy idea and clever phrase&#8221; but as with Putnam, now prove it with REAL audience analysis.</p>
<p>And to Jonathan&#8217;s point&#8211;I really am ready to let&#8217;s move off this meme/binary of new information versus confirmation/affirmation of what one already feels.  This baby has taken hold across the disciplines (esp. political science), but I say &#8220;poppycock.&#8221;  If this is the best we can do with our understandings of cognitive processes, then we should hang it up.  People are simply much more complex thinkers than this.  Or I should say, what I think Robert is pointing to here suggests that the process of pursuance, interpretation, rethinking, evaluation, affirmation, contestation is much more of a mental clusterfuck than we give people credit for.  And it probably differs by issue.  The people Robert is studying&#8211;less contestation. But the SAME people over, say, the issue of health care or taxation, perhaps quite a bit more.  Again, audience studies, audience studies, audiences studies (said by the guy who largely does textual and production analyses! <img src='http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Again, nice thoughtful post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Rob. In a way it speaks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/26/the-right-to-make-wrong-tv-rightnetwork/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the conversation&lt;/a&gt; that Jeff Sconce and I began at my post here yesterday about what constitutes enlightenment: does it necessitate finding new information that challenges one&#039;s beliefs and thoughts, or can it be finding new information that is used to further affirm one&#039;s current beliefs and thoughts? I&#039;d prefer the former, but perhaps that&#039;s just self-flattery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Rob. In a way it speaks to <a href="http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2010/04/26/the-right-to-make-wrong-tv-rightnetwork/#comments" rel="nofollow">the conversation</a> that Jeff Sconce and I began at my post here yesterday about what constitutes enlightenment: does it necessitate finding new information that challenges one&#8217;s beliefs and thoughts, or can it be finding new information that is used to further affirm one&#8217;s current beliefs and thoughts? I&#8217;d prefer the former, but perhaps that&#8217;s just self-flattery.</p>
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